tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post4407399513082038485..comments2024-03-09T19:23:22.482-03:00Comments on The RPGPundit: The All-Woman Swords & Wizardry Printing, And Why I'm LaughingRPGPundithttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17267330191433119298noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-64901438567287507862018-08-09T15:57:37.312-04:002018-08-09T15:57:37.312-04:00I could have shit on an open book, closed it, and ...I could have shit on an open book, closed it, and come up with something better than this idiotic blog post.fgrjykshfngdfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01794217730016709017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-69547773745640321762018-08-09T15:57:06.086-04:002018-08-09T15:57:06.086-04:00Trimegistus go out and get laid. You sound really...Trimegistus go out and get laid. You sound really angy.fgrjykshfngdfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01794217730016709017noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-63324245136954780012016-10-12T01:53:37.643-03:002016-10-12T01:53:37.643-03:00I second the first paragraph of this. I personally...I second the first paragraph of this. I personally prefer White Box to Complete, but I can't really complain about new art being added to a new printing. Having an all-female art team might be a gimmick, but I doubt it'll have any negative impact on the quality of the product.<br /><br />As for the question of the rules being "100% free", I think they've already done a good job as it is; all three versions of S&W are now freely available from the publisher, since they met one of their stretch goals a little while back. I understand their being protective of the work they did cleaning up and fixing bits of the underlying system, and I think the requirements for claiming publicly that a product is "S&W compatible" (as opposed to just OSR Compatible, like most things) are just a means of keeping a minimum amount of quality control. But from my point of view, it would be simpler to just label a product as "OSR compatible", since that'll make it about 99.9% compatible with S&W as well.<br /><br />(Disclaimer: I haven't published any RPG products yet, so my perspective might be ill-informed or flat-out wrong from an 'industry' point of view.)Fuzzy Skinnerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10606454596061907461noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-18614053316316261622016-10-10T06:00:36.246-03:002016-10-10T06:00:36.246-03:00For me, even though it's pretty much a stolen ...For me, even though it's pretty much a stolen game, S&W Whitebox is still relevant, because it is a streamlined version of OD&D/the LBBs. It uses a single saving throw, has ascending AC, uses d20 and d6 exclusively, has low attribute bonuses and unified weapon damage.<br /><br />What I hate about OSRIC, S&W, and LL is how protective their creators are about them. Make no mistake, these games are stolen. I am very aware that it is a legal 'interpretation' of the original rules, but if you steal somebody's game, at least release it 100% free, not just with some dumb publishing licence.Nerzenjägerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02682799127301890341noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-84867464427662194682016-10-08T19:19:54.829-03:002016-10-08T19:19:54.829-03:00I don't see how S&W is 'not relevant&#...I don't see how S&W is 'not relevant'. IIRC it's available in customisable Word format. I've seen several interesting hacks of it. Sure OD&D is now available, but S&W is 1) free (in some versions anyway), 2) streamlined and 3) easy to hack. If I wanted to run an OSR game, I'd certainly give S&W a look (though LotfP and Basic Fantasy also appeal).Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01624102953631910102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-25092320095646737972016-10-08T08:11:19.964-03:002016-10-08T08:11:19.964-03:00And yet, there are many who would gladly buy a new...And yet, there are many who would gladly buy a new edition of the spoon.Venger Satanishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447932700800930510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-44312497518299913502016-10-07T21:35:28.627-03:002016-10-07T21:35:28.627-03:00There's definitely an element of truth to this...There's definitely an element of truth to this. It doesn't feel like being on the social vanguard, it just seems silly. <br />I just watched this stupid SNL "popstar" movie, where a clueless rap singer releases a music video of very sanctimonious preaching about how awful it is gay people aren't allowed to marry, which ends up being totally patronizing to gay people, and everyone is like "he's singing about this like it's still a thing but gay people can get married everywhere now". <br /><br />This does seem out of touch in pretty much the same way. <br />And again, it comes down to trying to make some money off a product that isn't really relevant anymore, in a very gimmicky way. RPGPundithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267330191433119298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-18898961475231212132016-10-07T21:28:37.236-03:002016-10-07T21:28:37.236-03:00Well said, Ian. Well said, Ian. RPGPundithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267330191433119298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-77775096529776612782016-10-07T21:28:17.286-03:002016-10-07T21:28:17.286-03:00Does it? Apparently even with all the hype and fre...Does it? Apparently even with all the hype and free-publicity generated by both virtue-signalling and outrage, this S&W kickstarter didn't manage to raise as much as the last one did at the same time period.RPGPundithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267330191433119298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-38548799978941638322016-10-07T21:27:10.728-03:002016-10-07T21:27:10.728-03:00Evidence for which thing? People in certain parts ...Evidence for which thing? People in certain parts of the OSR freaking out about S&W being "hijacked"? Check out the blogosphere and the thread on theRPGsite about it.<br />My ongoing fight with the Appendix N crowd? Check out my G+.RPGPundithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267330191433119298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-3260262687197165422016-10-07T18:52:29.161-03:002016-10-07T18:52:29.161-03:00You know what's not sexist? A mixed group of p...You know what's not sexist? A mixed group of people who are hired because they have the necessary skills to get a job done. There is no reason in this day and age to have an all female anything, any more than an all male, all transgender what have you. I am in favor of unisex bathrooms, and not getting judged or called anything but my name, because I am a male with long hair. No mullets though, because the eighties died twenty six years ago.Efiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07324613063326368764noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-22026227014199188412016-10-07T13:49:14.741-03:002016-10-07T13:49:14.741-03:00There is a third group you neglected to mention: p...There is a third group you neglected to mention: people who aren't sexist, don't have a dog in the "more OSR than thou" fight . . . but are thoroughly tired and annoyed about every fucking thing being turned into some kind of triumphalist "striking a blow against the Patriarchy" piece of PC bullshit.<br /><br />This product reminds me of the recent Ghostbusters remake -- you know, the one that was referred to endlessly in the film's own promotion as the "all-female Ghostbusters." And if you thought it was going to suck (which, inevitably, it did) you were a horrible misogynist patriarchal cishet doo-doo head. <br /><br />How is choosing artists on the basis of their vaginas different from excluding artists because of their skin color? This "all girl Swords & Wizardry" is a pure gimmick (and sexist, to boot). When you have to resort to this kind of stupid gimmick, it's a huge sign that your product is creatively bankrupt and you're banking into a leftward PC death spiral, sacrificing everything for greater and greater liberal virtue-signalling as your company augers in.<br /><br />Now everyone will call me a sexist because everything women do must always be the most wonderful thing ever, and so brave! Trimegistushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17421300991534803449noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-16955913488121570242016-10-07T13:07:27.569-03:002016-10-07T13:07:27.569-03:00This comment has been removed by the author.Gleblixhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03546938383587063556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-41418150801180495282016-10-07T12:04:47.430-03:002016-10-07T12:04:47.430-03:00This is your most convoluted straw man yet! Kudos...This is your most convoluted straw man yet! Kudos!OlmanFeelyushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17521657876810568251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-24419708497247282352016-10-07T12:04:17.264-03:002016-10-07T12:04:17.264-03:00This comment has been removed by the author.OlmanFeelyushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17521657876810568251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-24882320900996993062016-10-07T11:38:57.709-03:002016-10-07T11:38:57.709-03:00I think he's asking you to produce a link, quo...I think he's asking you to produce a link, quote, or some shred of evidence. So far, pundit, you haven't, with regards to this fresh OSR indignity.Venger Satanishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04447932700800930510noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-39818473061072875212016-10-07T11:25:53.388-03:002016-10-07T11:25:53.388-03:00I don't think, like Pundit says, anybody real...I don't think, like Pundit says, anybody really gives a damn about the girls behind the project. Most of the criticism is really only around the cover. Ulairihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607463247068182810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-55493280521056008222016-10-07T10:57:57.331-03:002016-10-07T10:57:57.331-03:00I love the art (And I am a reasonably successful p...I love the art (And I am a reasonably successful professional artist and game director, so Nyah, Nyah you whiners). I love OSR products, as they take my back to my RPG roots in the 1970's. I strongly disagree with the validity of the criticism of OSR products. <br /><br />We should have ALL RPGs, new and old to play with. There is a certain elegance to the old school products that appeals to me.<br /><br />As far as it being an all girl team, good for them! Would we quibble with an all-male team? How about an all-Vegan team (Wait, maybe that. LOL)<br /><br />This, like many of the hapless Social Warrior flailings (On both sides of the political fence) is a tempest in a teapot.<br /><br />I'll buy it because I like and play Frog God Products. It will not keep me from playing all my other "newer style" games.<br /><br />Knock it out of the Park, Ladies!Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18368242933489312442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-65279045693962204372016-10-07T10:56:03.474-03:002016-10-07T10:56:03.474-03:00I love the art (And I am a reasonably successful p...I love the art (And I am a reasonably successful professional artist and game director, so Nyah, Nyah you whiners). I love OSR products, as they take my back to my RPG roots in the 1970's. I strongly disagree with the validity of the criticism of OSR products. <br /><br />We should have ALL RPGs, new and old to play with. There is a certain elegance to the old school products that appeals to me.<br /><br />As far as it being an all girl team, good for them! Would we quibble with an all-male team? How about an all-Vegan team (Wait, maybe that. LOL)<br /><br />This, like many of the hapless Social Warrior flailings (On both sides of the political fence) is a tempest in a teapot.<br /><br />I'll buy it because I like and play Frog God Products. It will not keep me from playing all my other "newer style" games.<br /><br />Knock it out of the Park, Ladies!Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18368242933489312442noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-46794463431597193562016-10-07T10:54:12.421-03:002016-10-07T10:54:12.421-03:00The new cover seems weird to me. I don't know ...The new cover seems weird to me. I don't know what's supposed to be happening there and what it has to do with S&W but I'd still take that over the old ones.Kyorouhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03039756343930755030noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-25801570014557614582016-10-07T10:48:06.655-03:002016-10-07T10:48:06.655-03:00I agree that the new art looks great.I agree that the new art looks great.Jon Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15483110614579754014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-2115899903546688892016-10-07T10:47:32.090-03:002016-10-07T10:47:32.090-03:00There is clearly still a place for the retroclones...There is clearly still a place for the retroclones. As Kenny Johnson mentioned, they do tweak or tidy up the rules of old school D&D in places. Compare Swords & Wizardry or Delving Deeper to Original D&D: the retroclones are more coherent and easier to play out of the box; Original D&D is a puzzle to be solved by the referee and players, and requires many rulings and interpretations in order to work at the table. Even if every man, woman, and child were gifted at birth with a print copy + .pdf bundle of Original D&D + supplements, there would still be a use for Swords & Wizardry or Delving Deeper.Jon Millerhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15483110614579754014noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-67463367210327393102016-10-07T08:44:33.293-03:002016-10-07T08:44:33.293-03:00For an irrelevant game S&W product outsells th...For an irrelevant game S&W product outsells the products you think of as relevant and has lot of support. I like S&WC as a cleaner version of 1E but I'm not old school since I'm a dirty GURPS player. Ulairihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06607463247068182810noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-52607308061890079662016-10-07T07:26:14.196-03:002016-10-07T07:26:14.196-03:00I think you're trying to distract from what...I think you're trying to distract from what's happening in the here and now. <br />In any case, I've noticed (and I guess I shouldn't be surprised over the fact) that people on "my" side aren't too keen on when I criticize my own movement. I don't find that all that healthy. I'm glad that you admired my fight against the storygaming people and other Swine, but a movement that can't criticize itself is not healthy. RPGPundithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17267330191433119298noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2600947515654238699.post-80422308037608647942016-10-07T05:33:34.318-03:002016-10-07T05:33:34.318-03:00So you're just tap dancing on JMal's socia...So you're just tap dancing on JMal's social media grave here? I mean, help a brother out here, Pundit. You're declaring victory in a fight that no one can see and that you can't really show anyone. I was there for the fight against the storytellers, man. It was amazing to behold, one Pundit standing strong against wave after wave of attacks. You couldn't get away from it.<br /><br />This, though? Crickets. There's just nothing out there on this one. It's like your whole identity is wrapped up in being persecuted, and now that nobody really cares, you've got to manufacture more persecution. Move on already, man. Just keep pimping your stuff, and leave the fights of the past back in the past already.E. Reagan Wrighthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16172439172609182285noreply@blogger.com